I've written this article at least 10 times on this laptop and few hundred other times in my head. I have come to realize that I can not write this piece with the serious and stern tone of an English butler – as it should be written. I apologize ahead of time for my approach and your eventual dismay at my deflating of your little idea balloon.
The legalization of drugs in the United States is gaining more and more proponents as the body counts south of the border soar. The brutal war between the cartels has turned into a "crisis" for the residents of Mexico and threatens to become a problem on this side of the border. And by "crisis," I mean an actual "crisis." Too often our news media labels simple isolated events as a "crisis." This is a real "crisis."
The latest group to call for the prospect of legalizing narcotics is El Paso's City Council. They drafted a resolution urging elected officials up the food chain to look into the endeavor. The mayor vetoed the resolution the same day it passed. A day later the effort drew the national media's attention. And we're left to be sized up by a bunch of Americans who think we make salsa and inspire Marty Robbins to sing.
Before City Council made their wishes clear on the subject, Sito Negron had forwarded the idea at the end of an impressive article for Texas Monthly (I'm very jealous of his ink in Texas Monthly, by the way). Negron's article painted a very chilling and gruesome picture for readers. He did not, however, go into detail about his "legalize solution." No one has yet to do so.
We're left with a simple mantra – Legalize drugs so the violence in Juarez stops.
Can we agree that that is your mantra? If you can't agree with that and you want to change your story now, stop reading. You'll only be angered starting a carriage return from here.
A UTEP Humanities professor once told a half-asleep class that the solution to the turmoil in the Middle East was to evacuate Israel and bomb it into oblivion. The professor's reasoning was simple – take away the object the two groups are fighting over and your problem will be solved.
It sounded like a very simple solution. I likened it to taking away a rattle that two babies are fighting over.
Well, as you're probably aware, as I was at the time, that the problems between the Muslims and Jews would still exist without the Holy Land to fight over. The problems run a little deeper than land at this point.
The same can be said for the cartel problem in Mexico. Legalizing drugs in the United States seems like an easy cure-all solution to the problem. The fact is, the problem runs a little deeper than the legalization of drugs.
I'd like to solve the problem of cartel violence in Mexico just as much as anyone. I just don't think many people have thought the legalization of drugs solution through. It may change some things here in the United States, but it has little or no chance of changing Mexico's current circumstances.
In order to examine the fallacy of the argument we must look at all the facets involved with the legalization of either all or some of the drugs currently being inventoried and shipped to us by the cartels.
I will preface the rest of what I write here with a quick blurb on how I feel about drugs. I'm the type of American that believes in freedom. I believe that from day one of this "democracy" that we should have been free to consume whatever we liked as long as we weren't hurting anyone else. I believe in your right to be a crack head, dope smoker or smack user. I also believe you should be able to sell your organs on Ebay and drive around with your seatbelt off if you are over the age of 16. I believe in your right to be a total idiot or a complete genius – how you achieve either of those is up to you. I believe in freedom.
The first problem I have with the "legalize solution" to the cartel violence is the immediate backing away from actually legalizing all drugs. Just read Sito Negron's most recent finger shaking piece aimed at Mayor John Cook. [link] His argument quickly moves to the "let's at least legalize pot because it's not that bad" argument. Sounds to me like the pot smokers want to use the violence in Juarez to promote their need to smoke doobies in public.
What I don't understand is how legalizing just one of the many drugs the cartels bring in would stop the cartel from behaving the way they have been -- badly. Are they going to throw their hands up in the air on the day marijuana becomes legal and quit the business? I don't think so. Seems like plenty of Americans are still going to need their cocaine and heroin after marijuana is legalized.
So I'm confused as to how legalizing pot helps anyone but the pot smokers.
Of course, the talk always starts out how the war on drugs is worthless and by legalizing all drugs we could save lives and money. Really?
You may have heard of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). They are the folks that make sure that the new heartburn medicine you're taking doesn't make you lose your hair and make your heart explode (they don't seem to mind if drugs make you vomit and give you diarrhea, though). They also are good about making sure you don't consume foods made of stuff that will kill you… quickly. You're on your own with heart disease.
We trust the FDA to govern those products that we consume. We want those products to be safe. Drug companies spend years and millions of dollars testing drugs so that they can pass the FDA's stringent rules and regulations. They want to make sure that those drugs are absolutely safe to consume. What do you think those drug companies are going to say the first day black tar heroin goes on sale at Walgreens? How about the day crack gets put next to the antihistamines?
Can you hear it? It's all the folks reading this article angrily typing, "WE JUST WANT MARIJUANA LEGALIZED! IT'S GOOD FOR YOU!" into the comments box below this article. That still doesn't explain why their resolution talks about the open ended legalization of all illegal drugs. They could have easily specified the ganga as all they wanted legalized. Even at that, nobody has yet to explain how it will make the cartels stop killing so many people.
And one more quick thought on the FDA and legal weed. How much will the price of weed go up once it's regulated? I'm talking about after they put rules on how strong it can be and who can sell it and how much they can sell at one time. Don't think for a minute that legalized Mary Jane is going to be your favorite hydroponic blend out of Canada or L.A.'s "chronic." No, the government tends to be pretty wimpy when it comes to the strength of mind altering substances. Just ask the boys in Tennessee who prefer "white lightning" over the store brands of alcohol.
Let's not forget about the taxes tacked onto the purchase of the harmless little appetite builder. All of a sudden you're asking your average pot head to fork over a wad of cash for crappy bud. Something tells me a guy could make a little money sending some stronger pot north to sell in the back alleys for cheaper than you can get cheesy legal stuff for. I bet the cartels could figure out how that's done!
That's a perfect lead into the "prohibition argument" that so many of the legalize crowd like to use. This is a two-point argument. The first claim is that once alcohol became legal all the illegal manufacturing and purchasing went by the wayside. The second claim is that the lifting of prohibition led to the downfall of the mob. Both arguments are laughable – even without smoking the whacky tobacky.
First off, moonshine is still a problem for certain parts of the country today. Way into the 1950s the problem was considered quite a serious one. When the government originally shut down the alcohol trade, a new underground market for suppliers and distributors was born. They didn't just close up shop the day they tapped the legal kegs again. They offered a stronger, more familiar product for less. Familiar because it was what you had when everything else was illegal. Stronger because the government wasn't regulating it. And cheaper because it wasn't taxed. I think we went over this already.
The mob flourished during prohibition, but they didn't die afterwards. The mob took everything they had mastered during prohibition such as bribing public officials and creating large criminal networks based on a military-like hierarchy and applied it to new businesses. The mob simply found a new gig using their old song and dance. For Christ's sake they built South Florida and Las Vegas! Lifting prohibition didn't put the fire out, it scattered the coals all over the place.
You don't think the cartels aren't going to adapt to the U.S. legalizing drugs? The cartels are good at moving things into the USA that we are not allowed to have whether it be drugs, rare animals or even illegal pesticides – they have figured out how to do it. Yes, there is a market for outlawed pesticides in this country. The cartels will simply find something new to import to us and go on with business as usual.
How long before the Mexican cartels become the biggest dealers of black market cigarettes in the U.S. (Isn't it ironic that there's yet another example of legal substance that has a thriving market for a cheaper alternative?) Organized crime in the northeastern U.S. has latched onto the black market cigarette trade due to the rising prices cigarettes caused by higher taxes (we've talked about this, right?). Seriously, how long before the cartels are in that game and still killing each other over the rights to illegally smuggle them north of the border?
Maybe the legalize crowd thinks that the day we make all of those drugs legal the cartel members will all become nonviolent businessmen. They'll just stop doing things the way they've always done them. No more guns, no more payoffs and no more illegal behavior – just a bunch of choir boys providing goods in exchange for money. The day that happens is the day Sponge Bob Square Pants reads passages from Andrew Dice Clay's children's book. Be intellectually honest with yourself and realize who you are dealing with.
The bottom line is that the legalization of drugs will not stem the violence among the cartels in Mexico. Please show me how taking one or more of their products away is going to keep them from moving onto something else or even away from those very products?
The problem isn't us, folks. It's them. It's their government. It's their way of life.
Our government would never let an organized criminal enterprise take over our country. Before you get all patriotic and start humming "Battle Hymn of the Republic," realize that our government isn't so interested in protecting us from cartels because they like us a lot. They like being the only criminals with their hands in our pockets and don't take too kindly to competition.
In Mexico they have a different way of doing things and you know it. There isn't one place in the U.S. where the paying off of cops is so frequently practiced that it's a part of your routine for traveling there. (Please lie to me and tell me you don't know to leave a $20 in your wallet and put the rest of your money in your sock just in case you meet a cop). What do you think that cop or government official is willing to do for a few thousand? That's where the trouble starts.
If you really are concerned with the violence in Mexico coming to a stop then you need to lay the blame squarely on the way they run their country from top to bottom. The cartels choose to do business the way they are doing business because they can get away with it. There's no recourse for their actions. Why would they buy out a competitor? They can just kill him and his family and take his business. It saves on the paper work.
The government has failed to do their job and thus left it up to unarmed, poor citizens to try and figure out how to stop the criminals. I can't blame them for adopting the, "if you can't beat them, join them," attitude. They really don't have any other choice.
I know what you are saying right now, "but but but Dave we buy the drugs so we are responsible for what the cartels do!" (I know I'm not supposed to cuss and a bunch of you have asked me not to, but we're a 1,000 words deep here and I need to make a point.) Bullshit! I bought a Chrysler, but I'm not responsible for them running their business into the ground.
We are not responsible for their behavior and we need to stop pretending we are. We buy illegal drugs from a lot of different countries. The majority of them conduct business in a quiet non-murderous way. Maybe a few people get killed, but it's not like they are being compared to Baghdad or anything like that. Look at the Canadians. They grow and smuggle in tons and tons of marijuana to the U.S. and they manage to keep the automatic gunfire to a minimum. Why can't the Mexican cartels do that?
Hell, I just thought of something. We're buying drugs from both Canada and Mexico. If we're doing something as consumers that makes one of those countries violent and out of control, then our behavior should have the same effect on the other country, right? We're the problem, right? Well obviously the problem isn't us because you couldn't find two countries handling their duties as America's dope dealer more differently.
While we are on this, "who's to blame" topic, why don't we examine the drug users. If our so called "appetite" for drugs is the problem, shouldn't quitting those drugs be the answer? Wouldn't it be easier to stop smoking crack tomorrow then waiting several years for the federal government to legalize drugs? Why isn't the "blame America first" crowd refusing to buy drugs in hopes that the cartels will stop their bloody war? Oh, I get it. That might require a little effort on their part. Sorry I asked.
I'm just asking for some clarity here. People want to stop the drug wars in Mexico, but all I hear for a solution is to get more Americans hooked the cartel's top selling products. Pardon me if I'm not buying it.
Commence making angry comments about the wonders of Marijuana in the comments section below and realize that I'm on your side.














David K
January 8, 2009
I just wanted to say that I didn't come up with the title of this article, but it's brilliant.
Mark Entry
January 8, 2009
85% of all illicit drugs used is cannabis. Re-legalize it. Just like we did with alcohol. This will immediately reduce the drug cartels business by 85%. How many businesses do you know that can survive when they lose most of their business? By the way, how hard is it to buy cannabis right now? That's correct. Anyone, including kids can easily buy pot right now, if they have the money. So, how is cannabis prohibition protecting our kids? It isn't. Prohibition creates demand for the forbidden fruit. Prohibition (by default) created the drug cartels that meet the demand for cannabis, too. Please David, visit leap.cc Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. They will explain to you everything one needs to know about why our war on drugs will always be a counter productive failure. They can provide a speaker to visit you.
lv
January 8, 2009
You're stupider ese!
Colleen McCool
January 8, 2009
Problems don't go away just because the government makes them illegal; they just go underground. Then a black market creates worse problems; since sellers cannot rely on police to protect their property, they arm themselves and form gangs. The more despicable sellers recruit minors to sell to their peers, charge monopoly prices and kill the competition. Some buyers steal to pay the high prices.
Cannabis oil is that cure all some of our ancestors used! Thank God, they did not let us all be brain washed into forgetfulness about the wonder of it! Oooops they spilled the beans, in spite of the oppression promoted by medical profiteers. It is a bigger disgrace than sex in the oval office! Take action, now, join the Campaign For Liberty! Dr. Ron Paul says, "We are politicizing pain."
Have you ever done a search for violent crime statistics? Or unsolved child murders? Many violent crimes go unsolved every year!
While we police nonviolent social, medicinal and religious drug use, murderers and violent sexual predators roam free. Across the US last year 38.8% of the murders, 60% of the rapes and 45.9% of the aggravated assaults became cold case files! The cumulative effect of this is horrendous.
This policy bordering on insanity obviously is not the best use of our limited resources or making our neighborhoods safer. Get tough on violent offenders, drug warriors don't have to look far for something better to do.
It was the 75th Anniversary of the repeal of alcohol prohibition on December 5th. Law Enforcement Against Prohibition has kicked off the ‘We Can Do It Again’ project, calling for an end to drug prohibition. http://www.WeCanDoItAgain.com
Saul
January 8, 2009
I agree 100%
johnquintana
January 8, 2009
Huh??? That was the longest non-sequitur I've ever read in my life. Please reference Bill Tilney's piece for a logical, easy to read, and well-written statement on the subject.
Jorge Quesada
January 8, 2009
David,
Well written and thought out article. Your biggest obstacle will be in trying to answer the absurdity of the arguments presented by your detractors. Good luck my friend.
Kay Lastima
January 8, 2009
Finally, someone out there gets it right. Thanks for the thoughtful analysis of what could happen realistically, instead of just throwing a word bomb and running after having made whatever point your personal agenda dictates at the moment. Nice going!
cheech_and_chong
January 8, 2009
i agree with you on the cartels finding alternatives. they would go to heroine and cocaine more to offset losses in the pot. however, coke and heroine are much harder to bring in and i dont think poppies grow well in mexico and nor do coca leaves. this means it would be easier to catch the smugglers. from what i know pot grows well in mexico.
legalizing it would hurt the cartels margin for a while, but they would resort to something else. meth labs for instance, maybe. if you know a little chemistry, just go the the farmacy and shop for your recipe. even if this didnt happen, it still wouldnt stop the killing.
my father always told me that alcohol has ruined more peoples lives and families than pot ever did. dwi's killing people along with everything else. i havent smoked pot since my 20's but i can tell you i probably never drove over 20 mph when i was stoned and never came close to having a wreck. i couldnt say that about alcohol and my experiences. im lucky to be alive.
all this chatter is really useless. this obama's job and not beto's or cook's. this is grandstanding so they may can follow their political aspirations elsewhere.
as far as the violence in juarez, you are right. its pure business.
ele quit buying from guzman in sinaloa. guzman has prez calderon in his pocket and told all of ele's people to leave juarez. ele told everyone in his organization that if you leave you are dead. ele has governor baeza in his pocket, the juarez police, the aztecas, and probably at one time had mayor pepe reyes. pepe lives in el paso now and is scared to death.
i do beleive he changed sides. who can blame him. calderon ordered federal troops in to help out guzman and took the real guns(only have pistols now) away from the police to give the advantage to the federal troops with ak-47's. the police who were on ele's payroll have now resorted to extortion,kidnapping, and other things to offset the lost "mordida from ele." remember the police who robbed a bank a few weeks ago that were killed as an example. guzmans people have been killing the extortionist and even turned in the guy who shot the reporter in juarez(wonder why no articles on that) and they also probably gave info on the aztecas to our fbi. recently the aztecas have been on trial.
i expect guzman will eventually win this battle and he will quiet juarez down for many years to come. he cant make calderon look bad and thats for sure ,but who knows when guzman will win and how long this will take.
so the question is if pot were legalized would it stop the killing ?
i doubt it. the cartel would be smuggling other things(ex. meth,coke,heroine) and this turf war would have happened anyway.
i just dont think you can legalize everything. look at china and its percentage of heroine addicts. coke and crack are very addictive also. pot just makes you lazy and passive and you want to drive slow and laugh till you cry all the way to pizza hut where you pig out.
i hear the word "decriminalize" pot out there alot but what does this mean? is this like when the cops took my beer away and let me go when i was underage ? that still means the cartels would still be sending it our way ? if we catch them we take their truck and let the driver go ? they still have cheaper labor than we do and i dont see the chile growers changing to growing pot and im not sure they could with it "decriminalized". in other words, pot would not be able to be exported to the u.s. like produce ? would it become like avocados. avocados cannot be imported to the u.s. because of trade restrictions. maybe you could share light on the subject of "decriminalize " david. i dont have a clue on that one.
Corda Shonerd
January 8, 2009
David,
My general opinion on these matters is that the best reason for legalization is that the concept that one commits a crime by ingesting a substance runs counter to the basic philosophy on which crime has been defined over the ages. Namely, that a crime is a willfull act that injures another person or damages their property.
I do think that the inability to control a banned substance by competing cartels would eventially contribute to their undoing as a result of legalization. I don't think this would abate, however, the current violent trend. About the only thing that would dent the violence would be for the Mexican government to lift the restrictions on individual gun ownership.
At the risk of sounding like someone to the right of Attila the Hun, the choice becomes one of more or less favorable 'blood baths'. On the one hand, the current spectre of innocent civilians being routinely slaughtered and on the other hand at least the possibility that the drive by shooters might give thought to the possibility that they might be shot at in return.
I realize the chamber of commerce crowd is loving this. This might inspire some off shoot for 'X game' tourism. Sorry to be insensitive, but how has criminalizing the act of possession, either of a gun or a drug ever addressed the true, albeit general, cause of crime - that of desperation?
OK
January 8, 2009
Good article/opinion piece.
IT is funny how no one mentions the drugs coming in across both borders ( because we are the #1 consumer of illegal drugs) yet we are spending billions to keep out undocumented workers only from the south side.
It also sounds like the border patrol guy who is charming city council members to pitch the idea of legalization in something as serious as the murders of women in Juarez and all that cartel violence.
Maybe the border patrol guys are a little too chummy with the drug industries. WHO's side are they on?
JK
January 8, 2009
Right on David! There is nothing we can do here to save Juarez, much less Mexico. God bless America, and while you're at it try to save Mexico from herself.
km
January 8, 2009
regarding the FDA and cannabis, most in favor of legalization are not in favor of it being medicalized. that way cannabis is legal and the FDA is out of the picture. the FDA doesn't have jurisdiction over echinacea, or st johns wort and other medicinal herbs, so why should they over cannabis?
"The bottom line is that the legalization of drugs will not stem the violence among the cartels in Mexico. "
yes it will, to a certain degree. the bottom line is that our current situation hasn't helped at all. would you continue to fund a business that continually failed for 40 years straight like the DEA? no. for all your hot air, you dont seem to have a better idea.
i see your picture. i dont know who you are, but this sounds like it was written by some loud talk radio guy who likes his own voice. lotsa chatter, not much substance. if the sound of you voicing your own opinions inspires you to do more research, keep on listening to yourself.
J
January 8, 2009
Nice write up David. A lot of the folks who are pro-legalization leave me scratching my head after listening to their odd, and frequently useless diatribes on how it would improve everything.
Of course, I'd assume (and perhaps wrongly) that the folks in the rest of the US that are not currently residing or frequenting the El Paso/ High Traffic Drug Corridor areas of the southwest really care about the violence in Mexico. Ultimately I can hear those folks saying "So? Let them kill each other. That doesn't detract from out ability to better the nation via legalization".
Again, Interesting thoughts You've presented.
JK
January 8, 2009
By the way, how many of you realize that there is no effective government in Mexico? That is how serious it is. Although our illegal drug use is at the heart of the issue, the U.S. did not cause the violence, nor can we affect it one way or another. This is a Mexican issue. Good luck to them. However, if our U.S. Citizens would obey the laws regarding the use of illegal drugs, it might help a little bit.
Vanessa Romero
January 8, 2009
I am writing this to debunk every one of your arguments because those are the same close minded arguments that keep this option off the table of debate. Here we go...
Your Argument: The first problem I have with the "legalize solution" to the cartel violence is the immediate backing away from actually legalizing all drugs. Sounds to me like the pot smokers want to use the violence in Juarez to promote their need to smoke doobies in public.
Debunk: This is one of the worst cases of oversimplification that I have ever heard/read. Any one who speaks so avidly about this issue should do their research. Marijuana/Hemp whatever you wanna call it, because it is indeed the same thing, can be used for so many resources: oil, fibers, clothes, plastics, not to mention FOOD!! People in Nepal use hemp seeds as a basis of their diet, it is one of the most nutritional seeds out there. Hemp could feed thousands of people. And if you are crinkling your nose at the thought of eating some healthy green versus the carcass of an animal between a bun, think of how many people, in El Paso and Juarez who go to bed hungry. So no, it is not just people who want to smoke doobies in public that will benefit.
Your Argument: Seems like plenty of Americans are still going to need their cocaine and heroin after marijuana is legalized.
Debunk: Theres two parts to this one. First, marijuana has been proven to bring people back from their addictions to hard narcotics. Second, the only reason there are such hard drugs out there is because of the criminalization of them. Drug enforcement has driven drugs underground, and forced people to create their own like with crystal meth and crack. This really comes from Nixon's war on drugs that started off with Marijuana. It was categorized as as dangerous as heroin, and by the time it got to the elder Bush, it was crack that was an epidemic. Not to mention that the U.S turns its eyes away from incoming shipments of coke and what not. Why? Because there is a lot of money being made on both sides of the border from this drug war. Dont believe me? Check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqd_C9ISPjA
Your Argument: What do you think those drug companies are going to say the first day black tar heroin goes on sale at Walgreens? How about the day crack gets put next to the antihistamines?
Debunk: This is the second worst case of oversimplification. Your fallacy is so black and white. Just because drugs become legal does not mean that crack will just appear at the corner store. Plus, you can buy legal drugs and prescriptions that people abuse every day and do worse things to your body.
Your Argument: Don't think for a minute that legalized Mary Jane is going to be your favorite hydroponic blend out of Canada or L.A.'s "chronic."
Debunk: No, it wont come from Canada or L.A. If it is legal to grow it, it can come from your own backyard if you want! It can be like growing vegetables, simple as that.
Your Argument: First off, moonshine is still a problem for certain parts of the country today.
Debunk: FIRST OFF, moonshine is not the same as Marijuana. They are two different things, that have two totally different effects on people. Alcohol is associated with violent tendencies. Weed just makes you happy and hungry. Unless you are still sticking to your misconceptions about marijuana, pinpointed with arguments from anti-drug propaganda (watch Reefer Madness).
Your Argument about how our demand has nothing to do with the cartels: Bullshit! I bought a Chrysler, but I'm not responsible for them running their business into the ground.
Debunk: Ill tell you what bullshit is. Its trying to make the automotive industry and the drug industry parallel. Theres only one problem with that. One industry is legal and the other is not. Your right, you buying a Chrysler has nothing to do with the industry going down, they went down because of bad business decisions. WE DO CREATE A DEMAND! Why go to Mexico and buy something there, when you can buy it or grow it here? Who do you think they are selling it to? Who is buying their products? Please. Do not say that we do not create the demand and follow up with a weak argument about the automotive industry that has nothing to do with this issue.
Your Argument: I'm just asking for some clarity here. People want to stop the drug wars in Mexico, but all I hear for a solution is to get more Americans hooked the cartel's top selling products. Pardon me if I'm not buying it.
Debunk: You have a point. The solution of legalizing narcotics is all you hear. Its just one failed bill after another. But no one is willing to give it a chance. Nothing else is working because we are not seeing the real problem of the Drug War, and its that war is a business which millions and millions of dollars are being made. I think it is time to come up with a new argument rather than "everyone is going to become and addict".
Oh and one more little thing. I forgot to mention the prison system that is overrun with so many non-violent drug offenders, who become second class citizens once they are released. These charges do not allow them to contribute to our society, thus weakening our economy. So yeah, I think it is safe to say that legalizing drugs would help our economy. I've said it before and I will say it again, try, at least this once, not to focus on the negatives but on the benefits. And consider where those negatives come from, and if they are really negative at all. After all, we are on the same side.
vato
January 8, 2009
You must have a lot of fun setting up all those straw men and them knocking them down. You do it so much, and not much more. Such technique, not sublime, just ridiculous.
Ted
January 8, 2009
You guys do realize that the author supports drug legalization right? He is just saying that it will not solve THIS situation, and I agree with him. Drugs should be legal beause it should be our right to damage ourselves without hurting other people. BUT, drugs being legal would not effectivly stop the drug cartels. Look at what has happened when they become strapped for cash. The resort to kidnapping and extortion among other things. Massive corrupt organizations dependant on extortion and kidnapping would be killing people over control of territory just like they are now. The ineffectivness of the Mexican state due to corruption is the real issue here. Drugs should be legalized, but that will not destroy the cartels.
End the Prohibition
January 8, 2009
License reputable businesses to legally produce and sell marijuana to adults in safe and attractive establishments and you'll deny the Cartels of 80% of their income.
That's a lot less money to bribe officials, and that's a lot less money that needs to be protected with murders, beheadings and brutal mutilations.
END THE PROHIBITION!
Jimmy Montague
January 9, 2009
David -- You've used the same faulty syntax in a couple of places: (1) He did not, however, go into detail about his "legalize solution." No one has yet to do so. (2) They could have easily specified the ganga as all they wanted legalized. Even at that, nobody has yet to explain how it will make the cartels stop killing so many people.
The problem there is that saying "No one has yet to do so" is the same as saying "Everyone has already done so." Which is my way of telling you that your poor command of the English language clouds your thinking. Writing, after all, is the rational arrangement of thoughts on paper. If you haven't mastered the rational arrangement of thoughts on paper, you simply haven't mastered the rational arrangement of thoughts. Which is to say your powers of reason are less than first rate. The fact that you've found someone who is willing to pay you for second-rate logic is a sign of the times, which is to say that your editor is probably illiterate, too.
Your argument about the prohibition of alcohol is dishonest where it isn't insane -- unless you can tell us where and when two street gangs recently shot it out over illegal alcohol. No such thing has happened in many, many years, and you know it.
You shouldn't be jealous of Sito Negron's article in "Texas Monthly." Sito Negron is simply smarter than you for one thing, and, for another, any mental health professional will tell you that jealousy can drive you insane -- a fact which probably explains what you've written here much better than I can.
Russell Barth
January 9, 2009
Recent science out of Germany shows how cannabinoids stimulate the body's production of TIMP-1, which helps healthy cells resist cancer invasion.
www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20071226/pot-slows-cancer-in-test-tube
legalizing pot would help everyone on the planet
Tom W
January 9, 2009
I am very much in favor of legalizing and taxing drugs. The impact this will probably have on the violence in Juarez is, at best, a secondary reason that I favor it. In my opinion, it is up to the Mexican public to stop the violence and reform their government. The primary reason that I favor legalization is that the War on Drugs is an utter failure and waste of my money. I think the resources would be far better spent on education and rehabilitation. The billions spent on the DEA and prison systems are poured down a rat hole as far as I am concerned.
Juan Arturo Muro
January 9, 2009
Vanessa--great job debunking; David--I don't like your argument but I do appreciate you putting it out there;
I believe that legalizing illegal drugs will bring down the price of the product in demand; thus, much of the money that "narcos" use to corrupt and influence officials and other people will be diminished over time. This measure will take away the exorbitant money power base on which these organization run.
If you've seen the documentary "Cocaine Cowboys", you will learn that Miami Florida's rise to growth in the 70's and 80's was due to people demand for cocaine (along with pot). One gram of the white stuff commanded hundreds of dollars. The citizenry got hooked and business was well for the traders.
Nevertheless, not everyone tried it or used it. I support legalization and I don't even smoke or drink--much less do anything stronger. I've raised and trained my children and godson to say "no". I've lived in the "Colonia Hidalgo" all my life and a bunch of us never became drug addicts or killers despite the surroundings.
The cartels are fighting it out because there is a lot of money to be made for whoever runs the drug distribution network. Legalize drugs = brings the price down = they get less money to buy influence;
Once legal, keep teaching people to say "no"; Just because cigarettes and alcohol drinks are legal does not mean we are all going to use them.
I think non-drug users like me are the majority. My respects for all of you and have a good day. I welcome any comments
maryp
January 9, 2009
Vanessa - read Ted's comment. You obviously already formed an opinion of the article before you finished reading it and comprehending it. What did you make on the Verbal portion of the SAT - a 100?
Elizabeth
January 9, 2009
Great article-- it's everything I've wanted to say about this issue! I hope it sinks in here and across the border. Thank you speaking out!
lv
January 9, 2009
Vanessa, you go girl!
Lets not forget the sheer amount of money that is going to Mexico for the products they sell to us. Does it recirculate back into our economy? Imagine if we could create our own drug industry, that money would stay right here and circulate.
sparetherod
January 9, 2009
ted, you are leaving out one little problem. when you say it is "our right to damage ourselves without hurting other people" that is not totally correct. you can damage yourself all you want but when your stoned asss is at thomason with lung cancer or emphysema and my property taxes is paying for your bill, therefore you are damaging me. i understand you tax it, but i doubt that money will make it to thomason and will probably go to something else. this is what the tobacco industry was sued for by the states.
tax on cigs increased and now we have black market cigs in juarez coming across. i dont think we are gonna be able to have a state stamp on a bag of mota, but if we tax it to death and have no control isnt it the same thing as we have now. it just turns into importing produce from mexico. fda will check it at the border.
whats next, legalizing prostitution. how many aids victims will we have at thomason sucking up our property taxes. when this happens, we ahve become mexico or vegas. i dont disagree pot should be legalized, but how do you really control it.
Wed S. Moker
January 9, 2009
Cartels would be squeezed out of the drug business under a new legal framework. Altria, not Juarez, would sell cannabis. Corporations are much more efficient than cartels.
Also, you don't see Busch corporate guys ordering hits on Miller corporate guys.
Haiduc
January 9, 2009
Hey Dave,
Smoking is bad....so which toxic drug do they want to legalize?
Lisa Y. Garibay
January 9, 2009
Hemp production - for food, clothing and many other uses - is already legal in the U.S. I eat hemp seed cereal all the time. Oddly, I am not stoner. My life would be much more fun (at least, I'd think it was...).
David K
January 9, 2009
Jimmy Montague,
thank you for reading my second rate writing. Thank you for take the time to comment on it.
thank you for letting me know that I got under your skin.
I await your effort to write something for NPT.
Thomas
January 9, 2009
David,
I bag on you when I don't like what you write, but I actually agree with you on this topic. Mexico must be fixed...it's corrupt government structure, criminals running rampant, and lack of opportunity for their own people help to stoke this problem into the inferno it is now.
What I always found interesting economically is when a country's #2 source of revenue is remittances of their citizens living here (both legally and illegally) to people living there.
Also, Mexico tends to be very vocal in their opposition to our immigration policy as it limits the flow of their citizens north, why? I guess they don't want to see their remittances drop off.
As for corrupt Mexican officials and the drug war, let's put some of it perspective. Let's say you are a Mexican policeman with a wife and kids. The cartels come and say "You are going to look the other way, and I am going to pay you well, or I'm going to kill your wife and children." Kind of tough to hold the line without strong government support. So they "go to the dark side" what choice do they have. Plata o' plomo.
Just one more thing to keep in mind
Jimmy Montague
January 9, 2009
David -- You didn't get under my skin. I never said that you did. In fact I thoroughly enjoyed what you wrote. There are comedy writers in Hollywood that can't do insane as well as you. You should give up this pundit racket and get yourself an agent on the West Coast -- somebody with good connections to people like Stephen Colbert, who always pretends to be crazy. He could use material like yours. If you want to see something I've written about the drug war, chase this URL:
http://thecyanidehole.blogspot.com/2008/09/drug-war-dummies.html
maryp
January 9, 2009
Jimmy Montague - for all your ranting about David's writing - why did you insult Sito Negron in one paragraph and then praise him in the last paragraph? Are you confused? Sito is the editor - you said he must be illiterate for approving David's writing. Then you said Sito was smarter than David. What's wrong with you?
Yes legalize
January 9, 2009
A typical subjective piece. Try out the facts: 1) international drug trade is $500 billion - 8% of global trade, equivalent to textile industry i.e what people spend on clothes; 2) it's a business with an stunning degree of profit, up to 17,000%; 3) you can take a rapist or murderer off the streets and expect one rapist or murderer less, but take the drug dealer off the street and another is there to replace him - BECAUSE IT IS A BUSINESS WITH A STUNNING AMOUNT OF PROFIT AND THE BAD GUYS GET IT ALL!; 4) cops, law enforcement, prosecutors, judges, even prison wardens are for legalization, just visit www.leap.cc (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition) and see - they've been in the trenches, they know unlike the David K sabelopocos; 5) Americans make up 60% of drug demand worldwide - and American drug consumer money is going to the cartels in Juarez and the Andes PLUS the Taliban in Afghanistan, back to being the source of 80% of the world's heroin; 6) drug use has increased - go to the Office of Drug Control's own website - or just look at the last three presidents and their youth - at least Obama admits it; 7) nonviolent drug prosecutions are needlessly tying up the court system; 8) an economic analysis shows the U.S. could save $75 billion by legalizing drugs. Stop there - but does anyone remember the reports that 41% of American 10th graders say they have tried drugs? Remember even, it was highest at Franklin and Coronado high schools? Wake up, get our from under the rock - THIS IS A FAILED POLICY THAT PEOPLE ARE DEFENDING! They must have some vested interest, or be blithely ignorant. The facts are out there - find them - and use the old noggin to analyze - and the heart to do what's right.
Greg
January 9, 2009
David K,
Your lack of intellegence is surprising, such a weak platform of "your idea is stupid" is obviously wrong.
Make no mistake the uneducated who agree with you and yourself can be out debated very easily!
No one goes into any detail because the solution is so simple a child could figure it out - if you can't sell drugs then you can't have violence over territory or control over something you can't sell. Pretty simple.
It's obvious to me and your readers that your bigoted against marijuana users, and you don't mind if people die in car crashes, sounds like you have some issues you need to sort out. hmmm...?
Perhaps you can stop throwing up red herrings, and focus on the fact that legalization of all drugs is actually the issue, isn't it!
Consciousness expanding activities and conscious people walking around is really scary for people who don't have much of it, huh?...why don't you be truthful with yourself?...and your readers?
"So I'm confused as to how legalizing pot helps anyone but the pot smokers." It will actually help everyone if there are a few people who choose to become more conscious than the rest, because what the world needs is not boneheads like you but people with higher, greater, and deeper emotions and greater consciousness to figure out all simple little problems of the world while the rest of the folks watch spectator sports.
The FDA. You haven't noticed but the FDA doesn't care about you, neither does the government, they want you to consume and consume. Big Pharma and the FDA want you to buy pills that make them billions, but, if you could grow a plant in your back yard which take cares of some of your problems, they can't make money!
Consciousness expantion means that your not going to vote for president Bush or be a victim of product fetishism, or put up with wage slavery(why don't you look that one up).
Consciousness expantion means people are going to start Caring. Love and feelings and intellegence will become important, and no one wants that, why do you think people like you are so afraid of pot smokers!
"Even at that, nobody has yet to explain how it will make the cartels stop killing so many people." 3rd paragraph. There you go.
"How much will the price of weed go up once it's regulated?" Weed doesn't cost anything it's a plant. Coke come from a plant too. So does heroin. A little information on turning it into a more potent drug has been brodcast on tv before. But that's not really the point, if a person addicted to booze or cigarettes wants a fix he doesn't need to rob anyone, he just goes down to the store...and the same thing will be the case if illegal drugs could be bought in a store, or better yet, grown in your backyard. Are the cartels fighting over prime control of cigarette sales? No. No profit, no violence.
Moonshine is illegal. That's the problem. I wonder what it feels like to have rare animals or illegal pesticides be the only arguement you have left.
Well you lost kid. All the proof is there. You lost the debate. You won't talk to me again, so make it count - learn, educate yourself and come over to the side of right.
Greg
The Citizen
January 9, 2009
Putting Crack Cocaine next to the antihistamines at WalGreens and putting Black Tar Heroin next to the cough medicine is only the dream of a few fervent libertarians. "Legalization", Mr. Karlsruher, doesn't mean putting every single currently illegal drug out on the shelf of the local store; that's a bogeyman conjured up by prohibitionists seeking to capitalize on peoples' media-embedded fear of drugs.
The Right of Access strikes me as an appropriate and compelling concept, at least in terms of dealing with drugs. Have private companies, supplemented by federal supervision, obtain, cultivate, and sell these drugs online and only online. The prices would be a mere fraction of what they run for now on the black market. The drugs WOULD NOT be sold in Albertsons or Ralphs; they would be sold on the Internet to people with a credit card who are prove they are above the age of 18.
Admitedly, this system isn't perfect. I'm sure some enterprising poster is going to point out some little detail or potential problem in my scenario, but for the most part, I think it would work. Both in terms of pulling the rug out from under the drug cartels (who pull in the VAST MAJORITY of their profits from illegal drug sales; c'mon people, they're not trafficking in computers or TV's, both of which are LEGAL and are inexpensive compared to cheaply made illegitimate imitations) and providing users and addicts with a safe, clean, and inexpensive way to do what they see fit. Help is always available, in terms of counseling, therapy, and detox at rehab centers.
david b
January 10, 2009
go to this website make questions and youll get answers from people that know about this herb and how it can help bring "change"
http://www.change.org/ideas/view/legalize_the_medicinal_and_recreational_use_of_marijuana
MJ
January 10, 2009
So, what's your solution?
American Citizen
January 10, 2009
It's hard for someone to be serious about a serious issue such as Legalizing Marijuana when they want to play to an audience that they think would agree with them.
Knowledge is power
Ignorance is bliss
When bliss is sought-after
Ignorance does not exist
American Citizen
http://www.change.org/profiles/americancitizen
Email address: powertochange@hotmail.com
David K
January 10, 2009
I'm looking for the part where I said I didn't want ever drug legalized... I was very clear that I think you should have the right to do drugs, I just brought up some "inconvenient truths" about the effort.
Read first people - you look stupid when you argue with someone who agrees with you.
rich wright
January 10, 2009
Let me put it simply, so even a conservative can understand it.
People deal drugs because there's a lot of money in it. There's a lot of money in dealing drugs because drugs are expensive. Drugs are expensive because producing and distributing drugs is risky. Producing and distributing drugs is risky because drugs are illegal.
If you make drugs legal, you remove the money incentive. Without the money incentive, you don't have people trying to kill each other.
Now can somebody explain to me why drugs are illegal? It seem like the only reason drugs are illegal is to keep them expensive. If it's to keep people from doing drugs, it's not working. If a person wants to get drugs, it's pretty easy.
Am I missing something?
Steve Clay
January 12, 2009
The cartels are sitting on piles of money and guns, so will legalization destroy them tomorrow? No. BUT, taking a huge chunk out of their profits would lead to massive downsizing. Cartel members and heavily trained assassins don't work for free, bribes aren't free, etc.
The "moving on to other crime" argument is under the assumption that people of Mexico have a lot of wealth to steal or, e.g. come up with ransoms. They don't. You can't make up for billions lost stealing from poor people. If the cartels come here to do their crimes, we have the resources to catch them. As the bribery of officials is lessened, the country will become much more safe over time.
There is also some evidence that a regulated soft drug market reduces usage of harder drugs as well. Eximane the drug use of the Netherlands, it's HALF ours in every category.
As for the details of the "ultimate solution of dealing with regulated drugs", no one has one, but making the Federal goverment aware that people want it discussed isn't a waste of time.
Juan Arturo Muro
January 13, 2009
Rich Wright. You put it so well. Good. I hope others can understand now.
Dankhank
January 17, 2009
It appears you tried to think it through and I thank you for that. Many will not even think it half through, just knee-jerk a response and move on. I think we SHOULD try decriminalizing individual drug use. Let's just stop arresting 800,000 folks a year, ruining so many lives, and take the heat off of state budgets. Hey ... can we try?
Clifford Schaffer
January 25, 2009
You may be on our side, but you clearly haven't read the major research on the subject.
What would legalization do? For openers, it would deprive the cartels of their biggest source of income. Your comment that the Mafia continued its bad things after Prohibition -- and therefore the cartels would just move into smuggling tobacco shows you haven't read the research. When the Mafia had alcohol to sell, they threatened the US Government just like the cartels are threatening the Mexican government now. Al Capone set a world record for personal income that stood for almost fifty years.
Before you write another one of these articles, get some real understanding of the subject. Read the following:
http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/cu/cumenu.htm -- If you haven't read this book then you don't know the subject. You haven't read it.
Major Studies of Drugs and Drug Policy at http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/studies.htm - the full text of every major government commission on the subject in the last 100 years.
Historical Research at http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/History/history.htm There are several books there that you need to read.
You clearly don't understand the arguments for legalization, whatever your point of view may be. Do some reading and write another column.
Mike
February 28, 2009
David K,
You're a child. An intellectual lightweight. How did you get this job? I'm serious. I would like to take it away from you, and will prove that I'm a better, more compelling and analytical writer than you could be in your most vivid wet dreams.
Mike